Curse

TheRaven · Mar 05, 2007, 05:31 PM // 17:31

I remember one funny incident when I was playing in Yaks Bend arena.

I was standing around in the "waiting area" to enter a battle when a Level 20 Warrior decked out in Obsidian armor shows up. He starts strutting and yelling that he has every Elite unlocked on this character. He then flashes a rank emote (not sure which one) and saying that he is one of the BEST PvP players in the game.

Next he says something like, "I'll join your team and get you instant wins for 5k".

Everyone in town was laughing at him until he finally decided to slink away.

Viruzzz · Mar 05, 2007, 05:47 PM // 17:47

You just admitted you can only play pvp is you have superior skills and armor compared to everyone else. Congratulations

Kuldebar Valiturus · Mar 05, 2007, 06:37 PM // 18:37

It's a troubling move because "everyone" was capable of getting elites using the same methods. The whole idea of competition is to gain advantage over your opponent by any means possible using existing game mechanics. Appears the rug has been pulled out from beneath the feet.

Maximizers are in every game: people that "twink" out their lower level characters, etc. Trying to stop the "maximizers" only hurts the game by reducing play variety.

What next, level restrictions on max armor?

Shakti · Mar 05, 2007, 06:48 PM // 18:48

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Originally Posted by Kuldebar Valiturus

It's a troubling move because "everyone" was capable of getting elites using the same methods. The whole idea of competition is to gain advantage over your opponent by any means possible using existing game mechanics. Appears the rug has been pulled out from beneath the feet.

Maximizers are in every game: people that "twink" out their lower level characters, etc. Trying to stop the "maximizers" only hurts the game by reducing play variety.

What next, level restrictions on max armor?

No actually "everyone" was not able to get those elites at that level. A new player would not have resorces to get run to cap them, even if they knew how. The only way to get SS he mentioned, or WoH at level 10 and below, is runs. Now what the op mentioned was not "twinking" a low level char, not "maximizing" anything. The op said flat out "owning nubs", and how he loved it. That is not competition. IMO, a strong steriod ridden expierenced fighter beating on some underweight geek who doesn't know the playground rules yet is just crappy and pathetic. You want competition? Go to HA. You want to show how big your E-peen is by beating on the baby chars with your buff char in drag? Get a life.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Mar 05, 2007, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by Shakti

No actually "everyone" was not able to get those elites at that level. A new player would not have resorces to get run to cap them, even if they knew how. The only way to get SS he mentioned, or WoH at level 10 and below, is runs. Now what the op mentioned was not "twinking" a low level char, not "maximizing" anything. The op said flat out "owning nubs", and how he loved it. That is not competition. IMO, a strong steriod ridden expierenced fighter beating on some underweight geek who doesn't know the playground rules yet is just crappy and pathetic. You want competition? Go to HA. You want to show how big your E-peen is by beating on the baby chars with your buff char in drag? Get a life.

Listen, if you are going to dispute what I said, have the decency to read the full sentence, or at the very least the concept of what I was saying:

..."everyone" was capable of getting elites using the same methods"

Spare me the whine that people shouldn't get their butts kicked by other players that have spent more effort to get elites, better weapons and better armor for their characters. Nothing but effort restricts people from maximizing their characters, the path is open to every one.

When you get you rear end slammed that should only drive you to improve your situation. Instead of bringing everyone down to beginner level, why not allow people to maximize to their full potential?

Code=007 · Mar 05, 2007, 07:06 PM // 19:06

it was about time! i'm sure this way more newbies won't be intimidated by pvp.

Guild Wars Idol · Mar 05, 2007, 07:09 PM // 19:09

That person just needs to get laid and clearly doesn't have a real social life. Let him be. lol.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Mar 05, 2007, 07:11 PM // 19:11

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Originally Posted by Code=007

it was about time! i'm sure this way more newbies won't be intimidated by pvp.

I am sure that's a big reason why ANet made the change. (BTW was it a documented change?)

My problem with the change is that it just delays the time when "newbies" become intimidated. PvP requires a "fire in the belly".

Try as they might, Anet can't make PvP a casual pastime. Maximizers will always have more than the "toe-dippers" in the PvP pool.

So, at the end of the day, nothing is solved.

Shakti · Mar 05, 2007, 07:12 PM // 19:12

LOL

Did you miss what arenas they changed? Those arenas are SUPPOSED to be beginner, low level arenas.

Yes, I did read and respond to your statement. My point was that not everyone CAN use thier methods. You said "using the same methods". I was pointing out that new players don't have the resorces to access those methods. That path may be open to everyone who has played for a time, but not a new 1st time player.

Kuldebar Valiturus · Mar 05, 2007, 07:16 PM // 19:16

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Originally Posted by Shakti

LOL

Did you miss what arenas they changed? Those arenas are SUPPOSED to be beginner, low level arenas.

Yes, I did read and respond to your statement. My point was that not everyone CAN use thier methods. You said "using the same methods". I was pointing out that new players don't have the resorces to access those methods. That path may be open to everyone who has played for a time, but not a new 1st time player.

And, I maintain that they do have the same resources available: time and effort.

Shmanka · Mar 05, 2007, 07:23 PM // 19:23

@ da OP:

Type this when you try to go into ascalon arena again.

/ggkthxplzuninstallIwillnowjustpissandmoanabouthowt heUnitedStatesisinIraq

Then a minipig will come and make all your pain go away.

Code=007 · Mar 05, 2007, 07:25 PM // 19:25

nope, time and effort will get you to level 20 before you get what you want, playing normally wont grant you that, paying is not included on "time and effort" no one will take you on any further mission if you are below level 10, if someone let you you are leeching, that also is not included on "time and effort"

Free Runner · Mar 05, 2007, 07:31 PM // 19:31

About time Anet fixed this. I dont understand why anyone would have fun doing it....i mean what is there to own? wheres the challenge? all you do is drive away the player that felt like stepping into an arena for the first time only to get owned by an elite that hurts him each time he does something.

Sofonisba · Mar 05, 2007, 08:18 PM // 20:18

It's not just newbie players who may rejoice at this news. I've been playing a long time, never gotten a run, never leeched, and I have enough money to buy max armor.

But I am one of those freaks of nature who thinks that even if you DO have all the right resources and connections, that you should not take advantage of them just for pwning in low level arenas. Low level arenas are about making do with the equipment and skills that should be available to you at that time.

I am not sure where some get the idea that learning how to PvP should be like learning how to swim by getting thrown into a churning river... That somehow the cream of the PvP crop rises to the top after getting pwned in these arenas? The "fire in the belly" comes from being smeared by skills you've never heard of?

Do you think that those who do take advantage, are better players? I submit that they are not, if they require elite skills to win against a lvl 8. They are pathetic losers who need to earn faction in this manner. IMHO.

GG Anet, I applaud you (even though it's way too late for me).

Etta · Mar 05, 2007, 08:31 PM // 20:31

Here are the 2 Problems:

1: The OP made this thread.
2: It's still going on! close please.

KamikazeChicken · Mar 05, 2007, 08:31 PM // 20:31

How is everyone just now noticing elites are locked in low-level arenas? I've known about it for months and months, and I've never even used the arenas. o.O

Shmanka · Mar 05, 2007, 08:36 PM // 20:36

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Originally Posted by KamikazeChicken

How is everyone just now noticing elites are locked in low-level arenas? I've known about it for months and months, and I've never even used the arenas. o.O

After a year of playing the game, even if I make a character out of presearing, I want to get the hell out of Ascalon ASAP. There is absolutely no incentive to go there, last time I had done it was to see how easily I could kill people with my necro and SS with rigged powerleveling to be at level 10 and 90% exp to 11. I got to level 14, was so ashamed I deleted my necro and never spoke of it again.. until now.

Shakti · Mar 05, 2007, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by Kuldebar Valiturus

And, I maintain that they do have the same resources available: time and effort.

What I have said now multiple times is new 1st time players If they are new, they cannot by definition have had the time to put in the effort therefore no, they do not have the same rescorces as a player who threw away lots of gold to get lots of runs to get lots of elite skills. Or gold to get uber gear. Or...oh forget it. If you don't get it from any of the previous posts you won't now LOL.

Strider77 · Mar 05, 2007, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by Kuldebar Valiturus

Listen, if you are going to dispute what I said, have the decency to read the full sentence, or at the very least the concept of what I was saying:

..."everyone" was capable of getting elites using the same methods"

Spare me the whine that people shouldn't get their butts kicked by other players that have spent more effort to get elites, better weapons and better armor for their characters. Nothing but effort restricts people from maximizing their characters, the path is open to every one.

When you get you rear end slammed that should only drive you to improve your situation. Instead of bringing everyone down to beginner level, why not allow people to maximize to their full potential?

If you think the entire game is just for "slamming" someone's rear end and thinking that "OH IM JUST MAKING HIM WANNA WORK HARDER" then you must have tunnel vision or something. Not everyone plays this game to be the best at it or to capture every elite or to constantly farm so you can have maxed out gold storage and not do anything with it. A majority of the people who play this game play for fun and dont have seizures because they cant "slam" a noob's rear. So the sooner you come to grips with the fact that there are different ways of playing this game, the better.

Mercury Angel · Mar 05, 2007, 09:25 PM // 21:25

The low-level arena twinking arguments have gone on often enough before, and this incarnation hasn't escaped the personal attacks. The information's still here, closed or not, so no remorse about thread closure from me.